Similar speeds on similar roads – what do you think?

TruckieWe want our speed limits to be consistent so similar types of roads have similar speeds. This also means working with neighbouring councils and the Transport Agency so speeds line up on our connecting roads.

We also think it makes sense to group roads together into logical areas with the same speed – it’s confusing and unsafe for drivers if speed limits change too often.

Why the contribution is important

To reduce confusion for drivers and so they know what to expect on similar roads, regardless of whose road it is. People don’t care who owns the road, they just want a speed limit which makes sense and helps them get along it safely.

by ProjectTeam1 on October 25, 2018 at 11:23AM

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Comments

  • Posted by judymac November 01, 2018 at 13:37

    Yes, and the best idea would be to reduce all city roads to 40kph, with specific areas (such as schools and major shopping areas) at 30kph. This is common overseas, in quite large cities, and no-one actually seems to die from lower speed limits. They certainly do die from higher ones. It would be very desirable to have whatever speed limits that are applied being 24/7 versions. Many drivers get very confused by reduced speed limits near schools only at certain times of day, and often miss seeing the signs altogether. It may work better to have the speed limits in special areas painted on the roads as well as being displayed on signs.
  • Posted by lyall November 01, 2018 at 21:24

    Yes absolutely agree with the concept. However, you've totally confused things with the so-called "Safer Streets". You're actually going to result in MORE kids dying because they assume that because cars in their street always travel slowly, cars everywhere else will too! Fatal mistake (literally)!

    I absolutely support 40km/h around schools, but there's no justification for making these 24/7, and in fact the time-controlled signs are MORE prominent and likely to be noticed than some tiny speed sign alongside the road in amongst all the other distractions drivers commonly face. Where was the community consultation about the full-time 40km/h limit outside Endeavour School? You received community feedback that this was NOT supported, but you did it anyway. How about listening to your communities?
  • Posted by DaveDog November 03, 2018 at 15:02

    CBD should be 30, schools 30 (during school hours + before after - not full time), small residential streets 40, wider suburban streets 50 and we need some connector feeder routes to be 60, 70, 80, 100 as well)...
  • Posted by dan November 10, 2018 at 13:26

    There are few things as frustrating as having to go slower along a road than it can safely accommodate. Do not reduce speed limits just to "make it simpler"
  • Posted by blewettg November 10, 2018 at 15:49

    Disagree, we should increase speed on computer routes to 60Kmph, hand in hand with safer intersections, and keep restricted speeds to high rise areas, schools etc.
  • Posted by judymac November 10, 2018 at 21:19

    I'm deeply disturbed by the comments by dan and blewttg, who seem convinced that motorised transport is the only way to go and should be as quick as possible. This has been established in many places to be dangerous and bad for public health and general community wellbeing. There is a reason why the Dutch held a minor revolution back in the 70s to stop the very high death rates on their roads (especially among children). That's why they now have a thriving cycle culture. So do a number of other European countries, Denmark being a very good example. There is a lot of evidence that cities do better by minimising the car and truck numbers.
  • Posted by dan November 11, 2018 at 14:01

    According to NZTA, no-one under 16 has died on Hamilton roads in the last 5 years.
    Denmark had a cycling culture long before the 70s, it goes back to the 1800s. There is no way a few cycleways will change NZ's car culture.
    Show me one example of a non-cycling culture that has changed to a cycling culture...
  • Posted by blewettg November 12, 2018 at 10:04

    Interesting that Judymac finds my comments disturbing, I stated 'hand in hand' with safer intersections. Public transport will not stop vehicles on our roads, we have spread out cities because we all like our patches of lawn, so public transport just doesn't work. Myself, 40mins + by bus vs a 15min peak hour drive, plus waiting for the bus in the rain that always seems to be late.
    What I'm saying is with proper intersection upgrades and safe crossing areas etc we can have commuter routes that flow well and this will keep people off back streets.
    The idea of long well flowing routes being restricted to 30-40KM (i.e River rd or Te Rapa straight) is crazy, yes there are safety upgrades needed. Yes restrict back street and areas of risk (i.e schools during school in/out times) but please keep the main routes flowing.
    Also encourage cyclists and pedestrians to use separate lanes. Eg there are several underpasses at River Rd / Wairerie intersection, and along Wairere drive, and a separate mainly off road cycle way from Flagstaff into the City, but very few use them. They stick to the main roads, and pedestrians won't walk 20m to a crossing, they just run across 4 lanes, or won't wait 30secs for the crossing signal..
  • Posted by PeterH November 13, 2018 at 09:48

    No. Each situation is different, the present approach is to set default speed at 50km/h or higher then try design up to this speed. It is OK to set default speed lower and then design road down to safer speed.
    We must avoid circular conversations where we can’t lower the speed limit because of road design, or can’t change road design because of existing speed limit. It is OKAY to lower the speed limit FIRST, then follow with design speed change where needed.
  • Posted by BryanB November 14, 2018 at 20:21

    Yes 80km/h on all roads
  • Posted by NickC November 18, 2018 at 08:27

    Drivers will always travel at a speed they perceive to be safe. This will vary by driver, weather, traffic, and many other conditions. Setting blanket speed limits that apply to all combinations of the above factors is a crude and ineffective method of speed management. The trick is to give drivers cues as to the appropriate speed and to be consistent with these messages. The best way to slow traffic is to make the roads narrow. On street parking needs to be encouraged. It is OK that sometimes you have to stop for a vehicle coming the other way but this seems to be an anathema that is not to be tolerated. There is far too much No Stopping line that prioritises speed and capacity when allowing parking might force lower speeds. Yes, collectors and arterial roads need to be free flowing to cater for the volumes of traffic and 50 or 60 km/hr limits are appropriate. But these need to be consistent. Lower speeds are appropriate for residential streets but many of them are so wide that high speeds are encouraged. Kerb build outs at intersections would visually narrow the road and encourage on street parking. And narrow means not more than 5.0m. It works in England.
  • Posted by Jw44 November 25, 2018 at 09:35

    Yep make all Hamilton residential roads 40kph. The main arterial routes could be a bit higher, but we don't need cars and trucks travelling through the city at high speeds just because it is a State Highway. Hopefully the Waikato Expressway will improve this and let some traffic bypass Hamilton all together. Until then no reason to risk having children hit by large trucks traveling at high speeds
  • Posted by Jayt December 04, 2018 at 22:53

    Make all 50km/h except minor arterials which should be 60km/h, major arterials 80km/h and areas immediately adjacent to schools which should be 40km/h at appropriate times. CBD 40km/h makes sense too.
  • Posted by Phred December 06, 2018 at 18:07

    Make all roads within the city boundary 30kmp, this may possibly encourage some people to walk to the shops, and the savings in petrol would pay for their groceries to be delivered.
  • Posted by citizenjoe4574 December 06, 2018 at 21:09

    Speed limits should promote a tighter speed distribution curve. If your speed limit is in contrast to the 85th percentile then you will widen the distribution curve.

    "Same speeds for same roads" should mean correlation with 85th percentile trends not some aspirational road categorisation.
  • Posted by DBfish December 07, 2018 at 14:12

    There should not be a blanket "one size fits all" attitude to speed limits. Where it is appropriate (in consultation with the local community) reduce the speed but make sure that it is obvious what the speed is. One small sign at the beginning and end of a change is often easy to miss. Travelling down Wairere Drive at 40kms because someone unfamiliar with the road has turned from Hukanui Rd and missed the 80km sign or watching vehicles going faster than 40km in safe street areas because they missed the sign is frustrating. There should be more signs or perhaps a colour coded centre line so that motorists can concentrate on the conditions and not on speed limits.
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