Should we reduce speeds to 30km/h around schools?

Mother and daughter at school gateWe want to make it even safer for our kids around their schools. Currently all our schools have a 40km/h zone around them, either because they are in a permanent 40km/h Safer Speed Area or they have a variable 40km/h zone at the beginning and end of the school day. A slower speed gives drivers more time to react and reduces the seriousness of any injury from a crash.

Why the contribution is important

Our tamariki/children are precious.  Schools are busy places at the start and end of the school day, and we want them to be safe as they walk and cycle to and from school.

by ProjectTeam1 on October 25, 2018 at 12:16PM

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  • Posted by fordm November 01, 2018 at 08:14

    Yes this is a great idea!
    Also providing safe spaces for pick up and drop off zones, even thou we want families to use alternative ways to get to school. But reality is, for some parents/carers - a drop off and pick up zone would be helpful - even if it was a lil walk away from the school - it doesn't have to be right by the school - it could be by a neighbouring street.
  • Posted by Rosanamp November 01, 2018 at 09:18

    This is a great idea 40k is still fast and unas de to STOP around fast and little children Who are still unaware of road safety and orden at on impulse.
  • Posted by Beppie18 November 01, 2018 at 11:27

    40 is just fine
  • Posted by judymac November 01, 2018 at 13:04

    Absolutely yes. Given the serious accident on a pedestrian crossing on Morrinsville Road this week involving a young student from Berkley, the need for lower speeds should be pretty obvious by now. The statistics are all there in terms of the death rates for pedestrians hit at different speeds - that's why more enlightened countries have 30kph speed limits throughout most residential and central city areas. At 30kph you will probably survive the impact. At 50kph you probably won't, and at 80kph you almost certainly won't. Pedestrians should not have to pay for their mistakes (or inexperience) by dying.
  • Posted by lyall November 01, 2018 at 21:25

    40km/h is fine, but it needs to be applied WHEN the schools are opening or closing, not 7 days a week.
  • Posted by Puketotara November 02, 2018 at 10:27

    30 is still too fast. If it was your child, how fast would you like someone driving past them and their school? I think it should be more like 10 during core school hours and 20 during the day (to account for before and after school activities).

    My sister was hit by a car outside her school and thankfully she survived but if the car was going slower, maybe she wouldn't have been hit at all.
  • Posted by udaysiddapur November 02, 2018 at 14:09

    Completely agree with this. With two children going to school can understand the seriousness of this issue. But if implemented can this be discussed with other council as well. For example my children study at South City Christian school. But no speed limit. When approached Hamilton Council buck was passed to waipa as Collins Road falls under them. This school is near to Deanwell school where speed limit comes to picture. Them melville school where again speed limit comes into picture. Why can't council take up to waipa and take some sensible decision.
  • Posted by SimonY November 02, 2018 at 15:25

    Reduce the speed to 20Kmh during school hours. Many schools continue to struggle with the issue of keeping kids safe around skills. From experience the kids are not the problem, rather drivers behaviours and attitudes. Ultimately we would want drivers to choose to be safe around schools, however if its going to take tougher compliance, then lets do it
  • Posted by overit November 04, 2018 at 10:01

    Yes I think that the speed limits around schools should be lower than 40km. The other problem with schools is that many self entitled parents park illegally in disabled parks or on yellow lines which again causes problems.
  • Posted by PaulPaulPaul November 06, 2018 at 10:42

    Do it. Kids don’t all have good road skills and this will save young lives.
  • Posted by jeffieh November 08, 2018 at 12:07

    YES.
  • Posted by dreadwomyn November 08, 2018 at 18:48

    Yes reduce the speed, 30km/hr would be great and support bikesafety in school areas as well.
  • Posted by dan November 10, 2018 at 12:59

    Maybe at opening and closing times of school ONLY.
    30 kmh feels like walking pace in a car, and it is very frustrating to have to travel at that speed for no reason, e.g when there are no kids around.
  • Posted by blewettg November 10, 2018 at 15:44

    Enforce the current 40kmph limit, and enforce parking restrictions where parents park too close to crossings etc and the current situation will be safe. Limits should only apply during school start and end.
  • Posted by Kim November 11, 2018 at 09:18

    While I agree with a lower speed limit around schools in theory... firstly it should only be during school hours (e.g. 8am-4pm Monday-friday) and secondly it should only be around schools. I do not understand why dinsdale road is a restricted speed area (40km/hr 24/7) when there are no schools on the street, whereas rifle range rd is a 50km/hr zone when there are two schools on that street. There is no reason for streets with schools to be speed limited on weekends.
  • Posted by dan November 11, 2018 at 13:33

    I note according to NZTA data, there has been NO fatalities under 16 in Hamilton in the last 5 years. What is the problem we are trying to solve again...?
  • Posted by Room8vardon November 12, 2018 at 13:50

    We are a class of Year five and six students who frequently use the roads around our school. Roughly half of our class bike or walk to school during these busy times and many of us are also road patrollers. While we protect our school community out on road patrol we often see many cars travelling quickly who then have to slam on their brakes as we put our lollipop signs out signially it is safe to cross. Therefore we strongly believe the speed limit should be reduced to 30km/h around school drop off and pick up times.

    Through the media we are taught how speed kills or causes serious injury. Campaign messages like the greater the speed the bigger the mess or less speed, less harm tell us how dangerous speed can be.

    Children can at times be unpredictable. When crossing the roads they may not always look both ways. People may not always cross at a pedestrian crossings and drivers need to be ready to stop suddenly. At busy drop off and pick up times parents can often be walking into school with preschoolers who are even less aware of how to safely cross the roads. Our school is also situated next to a daycare and there is another school up the road which can make the roads around our school very congested at these times.

    Road patrollers put their safety ahead of others before and after school by providing a safe place to cross. At times drivers can see that the lollipop signs are about to open. They treat it like an orange light speeding up to get through the gap before being stuck behind the pedestrians who are crossing rather than slowing down to give way.

    Environmentally we know that it is better for us to walk, bike or scooter to school rather than drive. To encourage people to bike, walk or scooter to school we first need to make sure our roads are safe and reducing the speed around schools is one way of doing this.

    Hopefully you will consider reducing the speed limit down to 30km/h to keep us and many other children safe around our schools.

    Yours Sincerely,
    Room 8
    Vardon School.
  • Posted by blewettg November 13, 2018 at 09:33

    i totally agree with the need for safe zones at schools, but the problem isn't the 40KMPh current speed limits, the problem is people just don't slow down to that limit, so lowering the limit the 30 wouldn't achieve anything.
    Also why have speed limits applying when the risk isn't there, nighttime, weekends, school holidays as per many fixed 40KMPH signs.
    The answer is simple only limit the speed on school days during in/out times (electronic signs) and get the police to enforce the current speed limit of 40KMPH with zero tolerance, a couple of fines and demerit points will soon get people to take notice. Portable speed camera's hidden in green bins like Aussie work well.
    You'd be surprised how many parents dropping off their kids get caught!
  • Posted by PeterH November 13, 2018 at 09:36

    A safe speed when passing a stopped school bus is 20km/h. The visibility of an 8 year old student existing a SUV may not be much different to existing a bus, why would the speed limit not be same for both modes of transport around schools.
    Example: Access to car-parking near school & Day Care. Buitenveldseweg, Hooglanderveen, Netherlands
      https://goo.gl/maps/B4jg69k8L922
  • Posted by Jo November 14, 2018 at 18:46

    Absolutely agree. Kids can be unpredictable and the slower you drive around them the likelihood of reacting in time to avoid an accident is much greater at lower speeds. The likelihood of a life threatening injury also reduces with lower speeds.
  • Posted by BryanB November 14, 2018 at 20:10

    No no no. It's already been reduced to 40 why reduce it further. Where is this going to stop? 20 or 10 or maybe stop the car push it pass the school... Education the children!!
  • Posted by HR November 17, 2018 at 05:40

    NO the current speed limit around schools does not need reducing to less than 40km. KEEP the regulation of 40km BUT ONLY during 8.30am - 9am and 3pm - 3.30pm Mon to Fri. The congestion that occurs around these times outside most inner city schools is enough to slow the traffic anyway. By reducing the speed even more i believe, would only cause possibly more unnessesary congestion.
  • Posted by RWKing November 17, 2018 at 08:55

    I like the idea of 30km, anything that is an improvement to keeping people safe is great, However I believe the current speed limit isn’t being policed, so if we do adjust the speed limit to 30 will there really be an improvement to safety.
  • Posted by NickC November 18, 2018 at 08:03

    No No No. the current 40km/hr limit is fine but is it complied with or enforced. Chaos at the school gate from parents picking up and dropping children off is a far more serious hazard than traffic speed. Schools and parents need a school travel plan to get kids to and from school safely and HCC can help enable this with crossing points. A blanket speed limit will achieve nothing apart from frustrating motorists who will not comply with it.
  • Posted by Schirley November 18, 2018 at 08:56

    This is a joke, your Council will not even fix a faulty electronic school speed sign in Vardon Rd, Te Rapa. It permanently displays a "50" speed one way, & has been like it for months. An accident waiting to happen. Repeated calls to your phone line expressing concern hasn't resulted in any action. Shame HCC !
  • Posted by Berry November 21, 2018 at 19:10

    Yes, of course! And while you're at it, why not also adopt the US law and STOP drivers from overtaking a stationary school bus. It saves lives!
  • Posted by taplinj November 24, 2018 at 14:26

    The speed limit to be reduced to 20ks around School between 8am and 9.15am in the mornings and 2.39pm and 4pm other times 40ks
  • Posted by Steven November 25, 2018 at 08:02

    When it has taken over 8 weeks to try and get a 40 kph sign to be repaired in grange ave for primary school speed
    There is a problem with the council funding the repair and replacement of the existing signage
    The 40 kph sign on Livingstone ave has been not working for 3 weeks now
    Let’s stop talking about it and fix the signs with in 24 hours of notification as a minimum standard
  • Posted by Jw44 November 25, 2018 at 09:13

    Yes! This is a priority!
    There shouldn't be any children hospitalised by cars on their way to school as happened just the other week to a Berkley student
  • Posted by carriemasters November 26, 2018 at 12:22

    Masters Ave in Hillcrest should definitely be changed to 30kph. The current 40 is ignored most of the time and in the evenings people fly down this road way over 60. There is a kindergarten, a church, a child care and a high school on this street, as well as a block of shops and library. The street is busy and there should be at least speed bumps here. It is a tragedy waiting to happen. In fact my high school son was knocked by a car last year. Just received heavy bruising and required crutches for a few weeks but I think we were very lucky.
  • Posted by Jayt November 28, 2018 at 00:36

    No 40 km/h is fine, but enforce it. If everyone actually travelled at 40 around schools there wouldn't be a problem.
  • Posted by donnell_deryn65 November 30, 2018 at 07:36

    It's not just schools. It is anywhere there is lots of foot traffic, cars pulling in and out to park and and pedestrian crossings. And "schools" should include the University.. up on Hillcrest Road...50 K's is too fast up there, the road is narrow and has lots of foot and vehicle traffic.
  • Posted by alison December 03, 2018 at 10:55

    Actually policing the existing limits would be a big help; no point in reducing them if the limit is going to be routinely ignored.
  • Posted by Sjkpjw446 December 05, 2018 at 21:45

    Did you know that the speed limit past Puketaha School is 70kmph!!! Coming straight off a 100 km zone, this is disgraceful & you take your life in your hands when indicating & sitting in the middle of that narrow road
  • Posted by Phred December 06, 2018 at 17:56

    Yes I agree, but there should also be some re-education of the parents at schools about using the school patrol crossings. This is a major fail at Frankton School on both Massey St and Rifle Range Rd.
  • Posted by citizenjoe4574 December 06, 2018 at 21:01

    Quite happy with a 30KM/H *temporary* speed limit that is in place only when children are actually arriving at, or departing from the area around the school. Complementing this limit should be brighter/larger temporary speed signs.

    I am completely opposed to reduced speeds around schools when they are in class or when they are home safe, or when the school term is not in session.
  • Posted by DBfish December 07, 2018 at 13:46

    Yes but only when there is school. In some cases such as Clarkin Rd it is almost impossible to speed due to the traffic in the area but in other cases such as Tramway Rd (Insoll Avenue School) with only one school traffic does not always slow down. It does not help that often the electronic 40km school zone signs do not work allowing motorists the impression they do not need to slow down. These signs are often broken for weeks and the current speed limit past schools is not enforced. I also note that in many cases such as Bankwood Rd and Tramway Rd there are Childcare facilities just outside the 50m school zone. Perhaps when this occurs it could be worth considering extending the 50m to include these. Personally I would prefer that the maintenance and repair of the current signs be a priority as if they do not work they put children at risk.
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