More 40km/h areas for residential neighbourhoods?

Father and son walking dogIn Hamilton we have 10 Safer Speed Areas in residential neighbourhoods where people live, play, exercise, walk the dog or to school and bike around. We’ve had good support from residents about these, with people saying they help prevent people being injured or killed on the road, and that they’re good for their community.

Why the contribution is important

Crashes at speeds of more than 40km/h have a much higher risk of killing or injuring someone. A pedestrian hit by a vehicle travelling at 40km/h has a 30% chance of being killed. But if they are hit by a vehicle travelling at 50km/h the risk of them being killed increases to over 80%.

by ProjectTeam1 on October 25, 2018 at 11:35AM

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  • Posted by fordm November 01, 2018 at 08:16

    I agree! If we want to encourage more people to use alternative ways to get around the city, then we need to have slower speed signs around neighbouring streets. Hopefully this will motivate more people to walk, bike, skate etc...
  • Posted by judymac November 01, 2018 at 13:22

    Yes please! If people feel they can safely get from place to place on foot or by bike, they will be much more inclined to do so. It would be worth reading this article, recently published in the New Scientist, on the need to remove cars from city environments: https://www.newscientist.com/[…]/
  • Posted by Belz November 01, 2018 at 21:43

    Yes agree for lowering the speed in residential neighbourhoods, however there is no point if this isn’t going to be patrolled. There are many 40km zones around schools that people hoon through, I live on a residential through road 50km speed limit, yet I’m pretty certain more than 50% I’d love to say 80% drive at excessive speeds , some u don’t even see they fly that fast! Get the police patrolling issue roads that are reported to u
  • Posted by lyall November 01, 2018 at 22:02

    Voltages higher than 30 volts increase the risk of killing people, but our Electricity Regulations aim to SEGREGATE the voltage from the people that could be harmed, they don't mandate that homes should not be allowed to use electrical voltages any higher than 30 volts! Similarly, vehicle/pedestrian/cyclist interactions are largely caused by bad road design, not by the speed itself. I'm a pedestrian, a cyclist and a motorist, and the council's ineptitude in designing and marking cycle lanes is appalling. First look at the road design and the segregation of different types of use, THEN (and only then) consider whether the speed should be played with. From a user's perception, all you've done with your "Safer" speeds so far is just cause massive confusion and make the roads MORE unsafe because there's a percentage of drivers who will either not SEE the tiny signs, or who won't adhere to them. Meanwhile kids become complacent and think they can play on the roadway and get away with it. Very much a lose-lose situation. It's just rampant ideology at its worst. I agree things need to be done, but widespread speed limit changes are not the solution.
  • Posted by Puketotara November 02, 2018 at 10:43

    Residential speeds in all areas of the city should default to lower than 40. I don't want anyone to die in Hamilton because of vehicles travelling at too high a speed. I think most residential areas away from arterial roads so default to 30 and be designed for 30km/hr. That means narrower streets, more traffic calming like raised tables and chicanes.
  • Posted by SimonY November 02, 2018 at 15:29

    Yes, neighbourhoods are for sharing, not just for cars
  • Posted by DaveDog November 03, 2018 at 14:55

    I live in Nawton. Speed limit posted is 50 and we consistently have cars travelling much much faster. Time for some enforcement of the existing limit.
  • Posted by KingInTheTron November 05, 2018 at 18:13

    We need better non-car transport options in residential areas - safe walkways and cycle lanes to encourage local journeys to be made on foot or by bike. Taking the car shouldn’t be the easy option for local travel - make it harder (slower) and that will be another reason for people to ditch the car for those little journeys. Cycle lanes need to be more than a painted line that gets ignored by motorists, and shared pedestrian/cycle ways need to be designed so as not to disadvantage those who travel on foot - especially those with disabilities.
  • Posted by PaulPaulPaul November 06, 2018 at 10:50

    Yes, combined with increased safety for active transport.
  • Posted by dreadwomyn November 08, 2018 at 18:59

    Yes - asap.
  • Posted by dan November 10, 2018 at 13:11

    No, 40 is too slow.
    Forget trying to discourage car use. It ain't going to happen.
    Only the most hardcore enviromentalists are going to bike to work.
  • Posted by PeterH November 13, 2018 at 09:38

    The city leaders of Seattle have set the default speed limit for non-Arterial roads (local streets) at 30km/h (20mp/h) For Arterial roads the default is 40km/h (25mp/h). Why would Hamilton road need to have speed limits faster than they have in a America city. Link - https://www.seattle.gov/[…]/speedlimits
  • Posted by BryanB November 14, 2018 at 20:16

    They reduced the limit to 40km/h on Dinsdale Rd then a person was killed on Whatawhata Rd. Maybe cos people stopped using Dinsdale Rd more cars on Whatawhata Rd. Result person dead. All roads should be 50km/h.
  • Posted by HR November 17, 2018 at 06:03

    NO not 40km in all residential areas. I think HCC need to try and identify certain target areas where there are high pedestrian numbers and especially children. For example Pine ave. I know its parent responsibility to monitor their own kids but there are some communities like Bader where the community believe there is safety in numbers so allow kids to just 'play in groups on and near the roads'. I used to live on Anthony cres off Pine ave and if i got a $1 for every close call i had or saw at the roundabout of these 2 streets then I could shout me and a friend to the movies a couple of times!!
  • Posted by GStuie November 19, 2018 at 20:11

    Waste of time and money - no enforcement. Most people drive at responsible speed. Just the idiots that speed. They will speed no matter what the limit is.
  • Posted by PopaScraps November 21, 2018 at 16:36

    There must be greater segregation of walkers/cyclists and motorists. I regularly walk along Cobham Drive to the top from the BK roundabout. It is actually scary as the speed that motorists go and also the footpath now at peak times has to contend with bikes and walkers, with an ever increasing vehicle speed right beside you.
  • Posted by wattsc November 24, 2018 at 09:48

    YES. We need to slow traffic on smaller quieter residential roads. Especially around the university as there is a lot of foot and biking traffic in these areas around parked cards on streets that aren't wide enough! There should be more encouragement of alternative (walking, biking, skating) forms of transport.
  • Posted by Jw44 November 25, 2018 at 09:27

    Yes! Why not make all residential areas 40k except for the main transit/commuter routes that people take to work/school and invest in improving the safety of these roads especially for cyclists and pedestrians?
  • Posted by Justan November 26, 2018 at 16:55

    All should be 40k we see so many people in our neighbourhood walking dogs, family groups with kids on bikes and scooters elderly people, and it worries me how fast people drive up the hill and round blind corners. We have already had one car knock down a power pole outside our house speeding up hill so fast parts of the car hit our roof and ended up in our back garden. So imagine how fast they do down hill
  • Posted by Justan November 26, 2018 at 16:56

    All should be 40k we see so many people in our neighbourhood walking dogs, family groups with kids on bikes and scooters elderly people, and it worries me how fast people drive up the hill and round blind corners. We have already had one car knock down a power pole outside our house speeding up hill so fast parts of the car hit our roof and ended up in our back garden. So imagine how fast they do down hill
  • Posted by lvdejin November 28, 2018 at 12:46

    What if people don't follow the speed limit? what would really help is having speed bump on some residential streets. This will force people to slow down. with the new developments going on in the city, it has more and more shared driveway linked to the road. I can't see any yellow markings around those shared driveway to stop cars parking anywhere. And it's quite dangerous when people drive really fast into and out of shared driveway. The speed bump on the road can help reduce their speed when they drive into or out of the shared driveway.
  • Posted by donnell_deryn65 November 28, 2018 at 14:48

    Yes please. I asked for this a few years ago and was fobbed off. We need this outside our house. People are always and I mean on a daily basis speeding along our road past our house. And we need bigger signs to say 40 K's. And at busy groups of shops like Silverdale and Heaphy Tce where there is also pedestrian crossings. They should be 40 K's also. Yes and I would like speed bumps also on our road, then they would soon get sick of them and go somewhere else to speed.
  • Posted by DBfish December 04, 2018 at 11:22

    Presumably an accident at 50kms is survivable if you are inside a vehicle so reducing the speed to 40kms is to protect those outside the vehicle. How many pedestrians/cyclist are we actually trying to protect on neighbourhood streets between 9pm-6am? How many accidents on residential streets are caused by speed? The majority of accidents happen at intersections not on residential streets. While speed affects the outcome of an accident it is the causes of accidents that need to be address such as congestion, driver inattention, poor road design and lack of visibility. Why when there is very little traffic and virtually no pedestrians do we need to insist drivers crawl around the city with a blanket 24/7 40kms zone across neighbourhood streets? Reducing the speed will not prevent accidents only make them less fatal. Further more as there does not appear to be much enforcement of the current speed limits reducing them without enforcement is a waste of time.
  • Posted by DBfish December 04, 2018 at 11:47

    Looking at the map showing were people perceive a speed issue the majority are on what are considered main or collector roads not suburban streets. If there is no perception of risk identified by locals and almost no accidents on neighbourhood streets why do we need to reduce the speed on all these street to 40kms? The justification that it is safer for pedestrians when this is not where or why accidents are happening makes no sense.
  • Posted by Jayt December 04, 2018 at 22:47

    There absolutely should be NO further 40km/h areas on any roads other than narrow, no exit "local" streets which solely provide property access. I fully support 40km/h restrictions around schools (at School arrival/departure times) and the CBD but 50km/h should be the default speed on most other Hamilton streets except where the road is an arterial route or significant "collector" road where it should be 60km/h.

    HCC's 40-60-80 vision seems to have been hijacked by a hand-wringing 30-40 vision. Where are the increases from 50 to 60 originally proposed to keep our city's productivity up?
    Where is the investment to match the road environment to the limit (through traffic management)...oh that's right, despite the clear research that this is essential in effecting change, HCC has no money for it. Changing a limit via a few sign changes is easy and cheap, doing the job properly like we see in Europe needs money. If you can't implement the plan correctly don't do a half arsed job.

    What the District Plan's Criteria for Transport Corridors (Residential Environment) has got so wrong is that they have designated that "Collector" roads can be 40km/h just like "Local" roads can. Local roads (primarily for property access) are sometimes appropriate at 40km/h, but the point of collector roads is primarily movement of vehicles to the Arterial roads to get them to work, school etc. COLLECTOR ROADS SHOULD BE MINIMUM 50km/h to enhance productivity as they are generally completely safe at that speed. A perfect example of this is the inappropriate 40km/h designations of Barrington Drive and Dinsdale Road. 40km/h on these roads makes no sense and doesn't feel appropriate. These are long, wide, fairly straight collector roads. It's poor planning and lack of listening to both the locals and the speed survey results to keep them at 40km/h. Sometimes even "local" roads are inappropriate for 40km/h due to their lack of risk and open, wide structure. The inappropriate 40km/h along Dalamare Road/Lower Dinsdale Road illustrate this well. Why won't they listen to logic? HCC bureaucrats continue to consult (Because they have to) then do what they always planned to do anyway, only delaying slightly if the elected officials see through their selective reports.
  • Posted by Surfez December 05, 2018 at 20:28

    I live in a 40kph safe speed street that involves driving 100m down another safe speed street to enter then goes onto another safe speed street. This entire area in St Andrews Between the river, Pukete Bridge and Delamare street to the golf course is busy with school kids and elderly retired people. Two or three rest homes just an example.

    The same few cars daily travel in excess of 50-60kph past our house every day. Usually only to hit the brakes hard at the end of our short 150m long street, pop around the corner into Ashley st and go up there respective driveway. One person reported was even ticketed at the end of our street but continues to drive with complete disregard as does other people from the same household.
    Never a dull moment when one of the dopey drift cars lights up the street or a slammed sack of euro junk flys down the road at 70kph on the odd occasion.

    Changing speed limits only limits the few that are actually sensibly anyway from our view over this road. Meanwhile those of us that are above the law completely disregard it anyway. How you can fix this is probably paint 40kph across there forehead and down the side of there vehicles.

    Actually on a more serious note. 40kph in these zones painted on the street i feel would have a better reminder than the half over grown mold covered signs that appear to almost advertise temporary or this is a trial so if you don't car go ahead and do 50+.
  • Posted by Phred December 06, 2018 at 17:21

    I live on Blackburn Street which is in a 40kmp area, and the majority of motorists are well behaved safe drivers, but there will always be exceptions to the rule who travel very fast. There is a speed bump outside my property which is quite unnecessary for the majority, and all this seem to do is annoy the bad drivers who leave rubber on the road when they floor their cars and speed off after going over the bump. Screaming engines and tyres are excessively noisy, so those asking for speed bumps should be careful what they wish for. I'm waiting for one of them to come through my fence
  • Posted by citizenjoe4574 December 06, 2018 at 21:06

    Slapping a new speed limit on an unchanged road does little to move the 85th percentile. If you want slower roads in proper side streets then you need to alter the road and then the 85th percentile will respond even without a limit change.

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