We think community views are important – do you?

A couple runningOur plan must include community views so we’ve got support for any work done. You know best the places which feel unsafe for you, your whaanau and friends because speeds aren’t right.

Why the contribution is important

Road safety affects everyone. We all have a responsibility to look after each other and make our city safer for the people who live, work and play here.

by ProjectTeam1 on October 25, 2018 at 11:25AM

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  • Posted by fordm November 01, 2018 at 08:18

    Yes - its very important to listen, understand and act appropriately to Community views. You will get more buy in to changes, also community will live out and support changes, when they are involved.
  • Posted by judymac November 01, 2018 at 13:27

    Yes, it is vital that HCC listens to its residents. Unfortunately so far there seems to be little evidence that it takes much action in response to the information it receives. As mentioned elsewhere, the people who live in an area are most likely to know which bits of its road network are dangerous.
  • Posted by lyall November 01, 2018 at 22:07

    This is the one suggestion I do agree with. I know you're going to have polarised opinions in emotive areas such as this, but please also apply a generous dose of common sense, and apply good DESIGN to the roads and their markings to ensure they fulfil the intended functions for ALL users, not just one type of user.
  • Posted by DaveDog November 03, 2018 at 14:57

    Community views are really important but the way the council gathers those reviews (and spreads information) is confusing. We've got the council website (where you can submit on things), the new city news site (only been once) and now this - can't we simplify and have one site where everything is.
  • Posted by lewis_ian November 04, 2018 at 10:37

    I agree to a certain extent, but if the local community is saying "We need more car parks, more car lanes, and higher speed limits" because they aren't well informed about the consequences of these things, then feedback needs to be tempered with actual research into living cities around the world. I believe our street planners should have regular exposure to city planning in places like the Netherlands & Copenhagen etc. It's about people, not cars. For example, if the bar and restuarant owners along Victoria St knew that adding car parks meant *less* patronage, they'd be more likely to support schemes such as turning Victoria St into a mall, and adding separated bike lanes and wider footpaths, because repeated experiences around the world show these measures *increase* patronage for local businesses.
  • Posted by KingInTheTron November 05, 2018 at 18:17

    This one is a no-brainer! No-one knows local conditions better than those who live, work and play there all the time so who better to ask than the locals? Community engagement is also critical for getting buy-in to any decisions made - people are much more likely to support changes made by them than forced upon them.
  • Posted by PaulPaulPaul November 06, 2018 at 10:59

    Yes and no. There is a world of evidence out there for how to make cities safer. You need to rely on expert advice and proven approaches first, and then look to public for local knowledge. If you ask most people now what they want, they will probably ask for better parking, faster roads etc, because decades of prioritising cars and the built infrastructure has conditioned people to think this is the only way. HCC needs to be braver, and implement the change that works, not just trying to keep everyone happy.
  • Posted by dan November 10, 2018 at 13:21

    Be careful of being swayed by the vocal minority over the silent majority. The most noise doesn't always come from the majority.
    The vast majority are heavy car users.
  • Posted by blewettg November 10, 2018 at 15:47

    You haven't listened so far, what hope do we have here?
  • Posted by blewettg November 10, 2018 at 15:47

    You haven't listened so far, what hope do we have here?
  • Posted by bopalloyd November 10, 2018 at 16:40

    PaulPaulPaul is right when he says, above, "HCC needs to be braver, and implement the change that works. . ." because lewis ian is right when he says, also above, that "It's about people, not cars."
    HCC needs to quickly try out some of the proven remedies, like a 30kph limit, in selected areas (maybe Grey Street commercial area near Anzac Parade. Also, slowing traffic on that bridge, where traffic is heavy and bike lanes are narrow would be a welcome relief. No changes needed to the bridge if you set the speed limit at 30. Fewer cyclists would feel the need to cross the bridge on the sidewalks.
    Those changes could link to a 30kph Victoria from the bridge to London in the heart of the CBD.
    Convert a few parking spots from one car to ten bikes near the many cafes and bars and as they say in Wellington, make "Bikes Welcome" because it's good for business. You could easily extend your win if you:
    1) posted London at 30,
    2) added a two-way off-road bike path on Norton up to the big roundabout,
    3) placed King and Seddon Road bike crossings well back from the roundabout, and
    4) put elevated (30mm?) green bike lanes on King.
    At a very minor cost in either HCC $$$ or driver time, you could 'ungap the map' from much of Hamilton East to the heart of Frankton. With these improvements, you could try out, and demonstrate, five traffic management solutions that work so well in other countries. It would be a great start to making Hamilton a multimodal leader in Aotearoa.
  • Posted by PeterH November 13, 2018 at 09:57

    Like some other have said Yes and No, I’ll try explain with these three points
    • Vision Zero is about leadership -> Explanation of Vision zero. June 20th 2017, Traffic engineers proposed having 34 deaths or seriously injures per year for next 10 years on Hamilton’s roads, Hamilton city Councillors say NO, they want the same target as flying, shipping, rail, peoples work place and NZTAs Zero harm plan, where all “go home safe and healthy, every day, no exceptions”
    • “it can be stated that the optimal speed limit on an urban street is the lowest limit the political decision makers can accept” Speed management in Helsinki http://www.trafikdage.dk/[…]/Trafikdage-2004-339.pdf
    • Leadership is the action of leading a group of people or an organization, and the ability to do this.
  • Posted by BryanB November 14, 2018 at 20:20

    But do you really listen... And what percentage respond...
  • Posted by HR November 17, 2018 at 06:21

    Ahhh durrr of course community views are important! What a silly question! Its whether Councils take these views into consideration is the big question
  • Posted by RWKing November 17, 2018 at 09:20

    I had know idea the HCC was interested in our view, for example The 10 year plan that is already proposed before its “shared” with the community, then its reviewed every 3 years and again “shared” with the community. Bit of a joke I think. Don’t forget it’s HCC who needs to initiate engagement with the community not the other way around, only HCC can decide how much you want to be in touch with the communities and know what’s actually going on.
  • Posted by Jayt November 28, 2018 at 01:08

    Community views are critical but HCC beaurocrats don't want them. They want implementation of their liberal "we know better than you" vision, consultation is an inconvenient requirement. Look at the original safer speed areas...they didn't listen one bit, only suspending the agenda when AA presented their survey showing overwhelming opposition, which spooked the councillors...oh but now the beaurocrats are back pushing the agenda again, haven't learnt a thing (choose not to).
  • Posted by donnell_deryn65 November 28, 2018 at 14:51

    Yes. But I do find it ironic that over the years I have emailed the council about a few road issues to do with safety and I have been fobbed off completely. And yet now all of a sudden the council cares, yes it's great but I think it is only because every council in NZ got a letter from the Labour Govt asking them to take this issue on board to help bring down our terrible road toll in NZ. It is good though and about time.
  • Posted by Phred December 06, 2018 at 18:00

    Yes I agree, but I don't feel that HCC really pay that much attention to the community if it goes against the councils wishes.
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